Recorded phone call between Terrie Beales & Kirstie Moore – September 1, 2018

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HERE (below) are the most relevant extracts from what was a friendly, amicable and highly productive phone call between Power’s girlfriend Terrie Beales and Kirstie Moore, Jason’s elder sister. 

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It should be pointed out that although the whole 38-minute call was recorded, Beales was told in advance about the nature of the call – Kirstie hoping that Beales would assist in efforts to get her brother’s 18-year (min) sentence reduced by three years. 

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Also, a few days before making the call, Kirstie sent an email to Beales – via Allen Mahoney (a mutual friend of Beales and Power) – outlining the issues she wanted to discuss with her. And prior to the email, she had initially texted Beales requesting a chat.

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KM: Hello!

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TB: Hi Kirstie

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KM: Hi Terrie

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TB: You all right?

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KM: I hope you didn’t mind the text? 

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TB: I didn’t even know you had my number. How did you get my number?

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KM: It’s in the police paperwork.

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TB: Oh, right, OK. 

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KM: The one thing I was going to ask you, were you ever called to court?

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TB: Well, I was waiting to be called, but they did say to me I was going to be called – yeah, they did, yeah.

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KM: So you knew you were on the list, sort of thing?

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TB: Yeah, yeah, yeah (inaudible). I didn’t want to come because it had nothing to do with me, and I didn’t want to go, it’s not something you want to do, is it, to go to court and have people ripping the arse out of you and being horrible and trying to insinuate that you are lying. I’ve had enough of it.

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KM: Remember you said that he (Power) wanted you to go for coffee . . . Martin, when was that on the morning?

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TB: He asked me there and then when I passed the message on.

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KM: Right, so it was on that phone call?

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TB: Yeah. 

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KM: You know the morning of the incident . . . was it your staff that was in the bar? 

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TB: My sister (Karen Holeyman) was in the bar and she saw Rob Darby walk past on the other side.

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KM: Right, did she see him hanging over the fence or anything like that, because that’s been mentioned?

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TB: No, I said that to you, that’s what I’ve been told. But no, she did see him, the first she saw of him was when he walked past the bar on the other side, near Enzo’s.

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KM: Did she say where or anything like that in the morning?

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TB: I’ve got to be honest, I probably would’ve imagined that he was walking past to go to, like, meet Jason and Martin, because I think it wasn’t that long before the incident.

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KM: Yeah, well it can’t have been to go and meet them because Paul Hunt, who was in the car with him, said that they were going to a café and that they were looking for a car, that’s where all that comes from. It comes from him.

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TB: Looking for a car?

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KM: Yeah he wanted to go to the café.

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TB: I don’t know but my sister definitely saw him walk past. She would’ve been in . . . what time was the incident? 

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KM: It would have been about 11:57, something like that.

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TB: Yeah, we used to open at 12:00 and she would’ve probably got there at 11:40/11:45.

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This vital piece of information only came to light during this phone conversation, more than 13 years AFTER the incident. Had judge and jury known that it was Beales’ sister who was working at the bar when Darby went there just minutes before being stabbed (before she phoned her sister, prompting Beales to make her ’Catalyst’ call to Power), Moore’s account of this ‘trigger’ event would have been believed.

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KM: It just goes to show he was in the area, because your sister saw him in the area.

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TB: I’m a little bit confused as well because, only from what I’ve heard – and this would be from the police, or maybe Martin’s solicitor, or whoever else – but I was told that Rob Darby pulled a knife out. I was actually told that he pulled a knife out.

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KM: What, at the incident you mean?

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TB: Well, when it happened.

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KM: Yeah, it was him that had a Stanley knife. 

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TB: What about the guy that was with Rob (Paul Hunt) . . . can he not (inaudible) . . . surely this guy . . .  he turned around and said he was asleep in the car or something, didn’t he? That’s what I heard.

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KM: Yes, that is right.

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TB: Didn’t see anything? Well, that’s absolute bollocks, we all know that.

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KM: Yes.

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Beales obviously wasn’t present at the incident, so how does she know Hunt wasn’t asleep at the time? She can only base her above comment on what she has been told by Power. And according to his court testimony, Power had been ‘knocked senseless’ by Darby’s Stanley knife.

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TB: So, why could you not go and talk to him, this guy?

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KM: No.

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TB: What difference does it make to him? All he would have to do is tell the truth, that Rob pulled a knife out and it was self-defence.

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KM: Because he’s in fear of Martin Power, you see.

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TB: Who?

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KM: Paul Hunt.

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TB: If you spoke to him now and said what you’re saying to me, then, you know, and if he went as an anonymous person, and gave this info, what is the difference from me or him, surely his is (inaudible) going to make to mine?

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KM: As far as I know he has emigrated.

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TB: Oh, right, OK. All I’m saying is, like my opinion is, it wasn’t premeditated. 

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How could Beales know whether the stabbing was or wasn’t a premeditated act and done in self-defence? Power told the court that he didn’t see Moore with a knife or stab Robert. So did Power confide to her that HE had stabbed him in self-defence? From her words, it would seem so.

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KM: Did you ever make a statement to police?

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TB: I said to you the other day, I said ‘have you not seen it?’ and you said that you had.

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KM: I had seen a police statement, because I checked this after I got off the phone with you. I’ve seen the police statement that said they have been to see you and you wouldn’t make a statement.

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TB: Oh no, they came in to see me. I remember it because one of the customers was making a roast dinner and it was like a week after it (the incident) had happened and I was sitting there and the police walked in and I said: ‘Oh, I’m surprised you have taken a week, I’ve been expecting you to come and see me’.  And yeah, they were nice and they rang me and said ‘could you meet us to give a statement?’ and I said ‘yeah’. I gave a statement. I told them exactly what had happened . . . that I went in the bar. Rob was in there out of his nut driving everyone mad, and I was like ‘oh, get me out of here’ and then he asked for Martin’s number. I told him I can’t give his number out and that I would pass the message on. I didn’t ring Martin because I knew he’d sort of be at home and it was latish. I told him (DS Simon Hassell?) everything that I knew.

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More evidence from the horse’s mouth that my brother went in Hobnobs the night before he was stabbed trying to get Power’s phone number, to chase him for the £3,000 he was owed.

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KM: Did you sign it?

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TB: Yeah, I’m sure I did. Yeah, I did sign it, yeah.

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KM: Because I’ve never seen it.

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TB: Well, I’ve got to be honest with you, the other day when you sent me an email, the first one, I was like, ‘I haven’t got a clue what you were going on about’ and I was like ‘oh my God’.  I was just like, ‘right, I need time to sit down and go through all these points’, and then, you know I’ve got two businesses and my mum’s very unwell at the moment and we are supposed to be going away in three weeks, so I’ve got to juggle my businesses and I’ve got staff problems as well so I just didn’t get time and I did say to Allen (Mahoney) ‘I’m fed up with it, I don’t even know where they’re getting it from’. My member of staff did not pass the message on. I actually went in the bar. If I’m honest with you, I probably, if I looked, I’ve got an idea where it is and I did look for it briefly the other day but I couldn’t find it. I’ve got a letter from you, and I’ve got . . . I don’t know if it’s the police statement or the statement I gave to Martin’s solicitor.

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KM: So you did a statement for Martin’s solicitor?

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TB: Yeah. 

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KM: OK, did you sign that statement?

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TB: Oh, I think I would’ve signed everything – you don’t make statements and then not sign them, do you really? I never refused to do anything. I just got really pissed off because this woman copper (DC Kimberley Jones) – you said you know who that is – was so rude to me and insinuating that I was lying. And I was like, ‘well, you know, I’m telling the truth (inaudible). I know where I was, I remember it as clear as day. 

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KM: We talked the other day about that message that you passed on. Did you remember him (Power) being pissed off and angry or anything like that? Were you annoyed that this fella (Darby) . . 

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TB: No, I wasn’t annoyed. What would I have been annoyed about? I mean, listen, as I said to you, I thought the £500 (holiday money) had been paid (to Darby). Now you’re telling me that they (Power and Moore) hadn’t paid it and they apparently were going to go and meet him . . . did you say two days later? . . . to give him it or something.

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KM: No, no, no, there was never any meet, that was the whole thing, because Jason was in the car now. You have said what your sister said. My sister (Rhonda) took Jason to see Martin Power. She left him and was going to pick him up a short while later, and I think Martin Power wanted to talk to Jason about something, blah, blah, blah, and they’re driving down the road perfectly fine. They were going to Redbridge Sports Centre to have a sauna, and then all of a sudden they were in the Gants Hill roundabout area and Martin got a phone call from you passing that message on. Martin Power lost his temper, pulled over, called this guy (Darby) and then it all happened.

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TB: Maybe he (Power) is just angry that the bloke (Darby) is just going on about it?

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KM: That night (night before the incident) he came into your bar, you said he was seriously off his nut.

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TB: He was never normal. I don’t even know if he was always on drugs but he was always hyperventilating, always 100 mile an hour, like you couldn’t get a word in edgeways. Always trying to make people laugh. You know, you felt like you had to laugh to keep him happy – not me but I’m on about with other people. People were petrified of him. I told the police this. I can’t believe that Jason actually wanted to get involved with Adele (Rayner) when she’s got a nutty ex but I suppose Jason just thought, ‘well, you know, he’s off with Maggie’, everything in (inaudible) was around that time.

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KM: You know that Maggie (Saunders). . .  is she a white English girl?

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TB: Yeah.

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KM: I’ve never heard that name Maggie. So were her and Rob Darby loved-up, do you know?

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TB: She was quite wealthy. I used to see her in the bar and she was actually quite a nice girl. I used to look at her and think, ‘what are you doing with him, what is the attraction, how can you put up with him?’ but she seemed like a nice, normal, stable girl.

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This blows another hole in the police’s ‘love triangle’ myth . . . as Beales confirmed, Darby was seeing another girl called Mandy around the time of his death.

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KM: So there’s a couple of things then that would help get a reduced sentence – the bit about the coffee and all the rest of it. I know you’re busy now and you’ve got to sort out your businesses and you’re going away, but at some point I can either come with you or you can go on your own and see Mark Bowen (Moore’s solicitor). Would that be possible?

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TB: Well, he can come and meet me, I’ve not got time to be going (up to his London office).

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KM: That would be perfect. I just wanted to give you the option if you wanted to get out of the area, do you know what I mean?

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TB: No, no, no, listen, it’s not about that. I just don’t want to . . .  I want it to end.

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KM: I know you do but this is it. Once we do this, then we can all just get on.

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TB: It’s just unfortunate that I’m the one who is being called to do it, because I’m not happy about it and I don’t want to do it, if I’m honest with you. 

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KM: I appreciate that.

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TB: I’m into minds now, thinking I can see this really going pear-shaped for me.

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KM: I totally get that.

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Here Beales reluctantly agrees to meet Moore’s solicitor and give him a written statement that will hopefully result in Moore’s sentence being reduced by three years. Why would she even consider helping if she knew or thought Power was innocent and Moore was guilty of killing Robert?

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TB: Because you saying to me you know well, well I can’t see it holding any water.

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KM: But bear in mind, you’re saying it’s not going to hold any water. If it was about going for a retrial or something like that, you’re probably right. But we’re not going for that. It’s all about getting the three years off, to get this reduced sentence for Jason, so he gets a better quality of life. That’s what it’s about. There are no courts involved.

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TB: I think, shouldn’t Martin be doing this – why is it me?

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KM: He has declined. He’s happy to let somebody do a life sentence for something he’s done. He hasn’t declined to me – I can’t get in touch with him even to ask him because I can’t get a phone number for him and I don’t know where he is. I don’t know where he lives. I have asked people but they just put the phone down and stuff like that. But at the end of the day it comes back to the fact that an innocent man is doing time for another man’s crime and I’ve just got to try and do the best I can by my brother and getting this three years off is just so important. And it was the three years that the judge gave him on the back of thinking he was lying and saying that he disbelieved Jason, that he believed there was a (pre-arranged) meet, which is total crap, as there wasn’t a meet.

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TB: What did Martin say? That there was a meet, or there wasn’t a meet? He must’ve been asked the same question as well. 

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KM: I’m not sure to be honest with you, he made so many comments that were lies which is why I suppose I keep asking if they wanted you to go to court.

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In this last exchange above, Kirstie leaves Beales in no doubt that she believes Power stabbed Rob Darby. But not once did Beales say anything in response to refute this very serious allegation.

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TB: Who is going to know about this? Is Martin’s solicitor going to know about this?

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KM: No, nobody, it’s a (Police) review board. 

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TB: A review board includes Jason and how do I know that Jason doesn’t get visitors and is going to tell them what’s happened?

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KM: It’s easy, Jason doesn’t know. Why would I tell him, he’s doing a life sentence. Why would I tell him, he would only get his hopes up – I can’t do that. You can’t do that to somebody who is shot away. You can’t give them false hope in a situation like that, not when they’re locked up 22- and-a-half hours a day. So moving forward, I’ll get Mark Bowen to come and see you.

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TB: Yeah, I don’t know when.

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KM: I think the best thing for you to do then . . . you have staff problems and stuff at the moment, so if you give me a couple of options (dates) that you can do, then I can sort of pair you up.

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TB: Yeah, OK.

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KM: Or I can ask him to call you direct, it’s entirely up to you?

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TB: Call me direct and, what, just speak to me on the phone?

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KM: Well, speak to you on the phone about meeting up.

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TB: OK, yeah, well he obviously wants me to sign something.

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KM: No I think he just wants to have a chat with you and take it from there really.

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TB: Right, OK. I just know this is going to come back on me. I know Martin is going to find out. 

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KM: How is he going to find out?

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TB: If he found out he would flip.

 

I even said to Allen (Mahoney) the other day, ‘Can’t you just ring him, you know Kirstie has been ringing me and she wants . . .’ And he said: ‘You are joking, he will just go like a lunatic’. He (Power) will be, like, ‘You’re my friend, what are you doing?’ He’ll be thinking, ‘Why would you do that behind my back?’ or why would you and this is what I’m saying.

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KM: Well, it’s like this . . . you can have a friend and they can be the best friend ever, but the principle involved here is ridiculous, because Allen Mahoney knows full well that Martin Power did this, so . . .

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TB: I don’t know, I don’t know.

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KM: No, I can guarantee you that Martin Power actually told Allen Mahoney. But anyway, outside of that, if Martin Power had any decency he would be sitting there thinking, ‘I cannot believe what’s happened here, I’ve got away with it, I should give some sort of help’. But what he has done is, in the court, when Jason was trying to help him . . . because it was, and let’s just get this out there, it was self-defence. Where Martin Power was concerned, Robert Darby came at him, so that speaks volumes.

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TB: Hmmm.

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Again, no denials from Beales, despite Kirstie Moore repeating that Power was the stabber.

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KM: And in court he (Power) played a load of games with this barrister of his and turned the whole thing round on to Jason. And Power didn’t stop there – he made ridiculous comments like ‘he’s a big soft teddy bear’ and he was proud of him. I mean, what was all that about?

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TB: Who is a big soft teddy bear? 

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KM: Jason.

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TB: Jason is a big soft teddy bear?

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KM: Jason is not violent at all.

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TB: Martin said that? 

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KM: Yes. By saying that, he is saying that Jason was a big soft teddy bear and he was proud of him – do you see what I’m saying? So as for Martin Power having a problem with him getting a reduced sentence, how can you have a problem with that if you know you’ve got away with it?

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TB: Hmmm, yeah, yeah.

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KM: Your scruples, your morals, you know, your decency, the way you live your life. It’s like they say, ‘If good people don’t stand up, evil will win’. Well, what kind of people would we be if we didn’t stand up?

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TB: Hmmm. I’m not saying it makes it right what’s happened. 

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KM: Well exactly.

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TB: I’m just saying, it’s not ‘oh, poor old Jason’ – I’m not saying it’s right that he is serving all this time. And it probably was self-defence, because I know what a nutter Rob was. But I wasn’t there, I can’t tell you what happened that day, but I’ve got a good idea.

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KM: At the end of the day, you don’t deserve to do a life sentence for something you haven’t done.

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TB: No, no, I totally agree.

 

They done all this to me and now I’m being called to put it right and I don’t feel comfortable with it. And I can guarantee you that this is going to backfire on me but I’ll deal with it when it happens. That’s probably when I will have to lie. Once this is sorted I’ll never hear from anyone again, I’ll have to deal with the shit if the shit does hit the fan. But anyway, you know, once I make my decision, I make my decision.

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KM: It’s about the person you are, isn’t it? I mean, I go around talking to whoever and I just can’t believe there are so many people who know the truth and they all decline. Is that about conscience? I’m personally involved but it really does make me think how many other innocent people (inaudible) something they haven’t done . . . and listen, let’s not forget here, the police have been very underhanded in all this as well.

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TB: All I know is they weren’t very nice to me and I was telling the truth. That’s why I wasn’t worried about making a statement and the rest of it.

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KM: Terrie, if you could find that statement for me and send it through on a text or something.

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TB: Now I’m actually thinking about it, I do think it is the statement that I made for Martin’s solicitor. I don’t think it’s the one I made for the police, I really don’t, but I will look and if I find it, yeah, sure you can have a copy of it. So if you just get your solicitor to call me.

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KM: Do you want him to call you morning, afternoon, when is best for you?

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TB: If he calls me after 11. What’s his name again?

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KM: Mark Bowen.

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TB: OK, thank you.

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KM: Thank you, Terrie.

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The 38-minute conversation ended amicably, with Beales repeating her willingness to talk to Moore’s solicitor. Alas, she changed her mind. And despite several subsequent attempts by various people (known to both Power and Moore) to persuade her to tell the truth about THAT phone call she made to Power immediately before the stabbing, she has remained silent.

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